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Did you know Emil? (Nord Trønderlag). If so, how was he like? Did you see him before he passed away? I never got the chance to get to know Emil, but I am from Nord Trøndelag, I did not see much of him during everything but I am aware of that he was murdered not far from me. After all I have heard about him I have come to the conclusion that when he died, Norway and the nation lost a great man.
My condolences.
You say you saw him twice and heard him once. What was he saying/yelling? He was yelling at one point telling everyone to come out form where they were hiding, (sorry for grammar mistakes), and that he was a police officer her to help us, I did not come forward. This was near the pump house, if you have heard about it, 15 people or so was murdered there.
Did you witness any acts of heroism, such as people helping others escape? Or was it basically a giant free-for-all (everybody running to escape wherever they could?) Where i was laying, there was a girl who was shot 4 times, she survived because of everyone around her was trying to help her, she was laying on top of one person so she would not get cold and there where two or three persons who where compressing her wounds.
My sincerest condolences for everything you've experienced.
Hi, my son Espen was killed by 'pumpehuset', big sturdy guy(190cm) did you meet him? (Espen from Bodø) I do not believe so, you must remember that we where almost 600 people, there are so many people I wish I had the possibility to meet or get to know them better.
Just a shot in the dark! Today i can account for most of his movements the last hour of his life, but I'm still looking for details. So when i saw you mentioning 'pumpehuset' I just had to ask... I understand.
God, I can't even imagine looking over that block of time and seeing so much raw potential. All of those souls that you looked into without a second glance only hours before, we're suddenly taken away. Harrowing...to say the least. Do you deal with any survivor's guilt after all of this? No, because i believe there were nothing I could have done diffrent, and I believe that it does not matter who survived, because no one on that island deserved to die.
This may be a bit personal, but if you had the opportunity to confront Breivik is there anything you wish you could tell him? Also, thank you to you and your fellow Norwegians for the civil way everyone has responded. It's an attitude I wish more people in my country would emulate. That I get why he did it, but I that I think that going after children, I consider my self still a child, is way beyond every other choice he could have chosen to prove his point.
What do you mean by "I get why he did it."??? He is afraid that the country is going to be "taken over" by Muslims, and when they start building mosques in the middle of Oslo, i can understand. But i do not agree.
What do you mean by >I get why he did it -- is the immigration of muslims controversial in Norway? I *don't mean to be rude or contentious, but you said the media coverage isn't honest and that statement just seemed to imply.. What I mean is since I van watch the trial firsthand ånd really see and hear what he is saying, I can also see that the media covering the trail are quoting it wrong.
What exactly are they quoting wrong? I don't mean to sound like a jerk but it sounds like you're agreeing with his radical views. I'm for globalizing, but i can understand some of the way he thinks.
What was your first indication that something was amiss? Did somebody tell you, or did you see him? Stay strong! Well, we had just had a meeting in the main building about what had happened in Oslo when we heard the first shots. And when suddenly people star running up from the pier and was screaming/yelling "run, hide" etc, you understand something is wrong. But I did not understand the gravity of what was going on until right before I was transported away form the island and could really see everything.
How has this changed your life? How do you feel about Breivik and how they are choosing to punish him? Do they have capital punishment in Norway? What has helped you move on? It has made me realize how precious life is.
I think Breivik is a man that lives by what we Norwegians call the precautionary principle, and that there will never be any way of justify his actions, nor give him a punishment that will be good enough because one does not exist. And death would be to easy.
We do not have capital punishment in Norway, a life sentence her is 21 years, after that there will be a new trial, which determines whether someone released again. He on the other hand will not be released because he will always be a threat to the kingdom.
I have coped with it all by going to a psychologist and "talked it over".
Oh I forgot, I smoke A LOT, being with friends, being at school (or trying to), and just live my life as normal as posible! ; )
How has your life changed since the incident? Do you consider yourself a different person because of this experience? Of course did it change me, I've become a stronger human being. It has also made me more confident and more prescient when it comes to believing in what you stand for. I am not a person who is easily knocked down.
Have you suffered from ptsd at all? Not really, no, a bit anxiety and sleeping problems.
How did you hide? Were you with anybody, or just on your own? Can you try to explain the emotions you had, while he was there? Fellow scandinavian here, I hope you're you're doing all right despite everything that has happened. In the beginning I was hiding alone, until i saw him again, and found out i should hide somewhere else, I found about 8 persons or so to hide with.
Can you provide more detail than just that you hid, and later you hid with other people? Was it a building, the forest? What was bad about your first hiding spot. Maybe a strange request but I have been trying to wrap my head around what it must have been like since last summer. I was in the beginning in the main building, then on the "love path", then in the water next to Bolsjevika, then in the forest above the pumping house.
I was actually gonna make a request for this the other day, turns out I won't have to! :) Btw, I'm from Norway myself! When you were at the Island and the shooting started, people obviously started calling your phone to check on you right? If so, was that a problem, could it compromise your hiding position? Were you too much in shock to put your phones on silentmode? I sort of drowned my phoned, I was hiding in the water and I was thinking that i should make sure that my phone survived that I putt it in my bra (yes, I'm a girl) and the first thing I did when got to the water was lay down flat in the water, and therefor drowning my phone x]
I hope some kind soul bought you a new phone? Yes.
How long did you stay in the water? Did you have to actually keep your head underwater for a long time? Thanks for doing this by the way. I never needed to keep my head under the water because i was hiding behind a tree, but i was in the water for 30-45 min.
Did you go to the edge of the island like most people? When I was watching it I probably would have attempted to swim to the mainland. Did that cross your mind at any point? or was it actually too long of a swim to even attempt? Also, have you looked at some of the images from that day or do you avoid everything to do with it? Well it is at the shortest point form pier to pier almost 1km airline, I have asthma, so for me it was never a possibility because i would have drowned.
When you were in that situation, did your ability to think rationally about what to do next and where to go remain or was it just complete panic taking over? And thanks for doing this, huge respect for you. Hope you and your friends can recover well. I was rational to the point that i kept my safe and took my asthma in consideration in every action i did, i never panicked or anything.
I'm sorry that you had to go through that. Did Anders look insane when you saw him? I know that's morbid but I want to know how he composed himself. Well, he did not look insane, just surprisingly calm...
I think that's what's insane. From hearing what he's saying now during the trial, he seems to have exactly zero emotions that aren't centered around himself. I know, that is the reason this trial is so though on everyone involved.
It's tough even for those of us who didn't know any victims, so my deepest sympathy to you. Do you have any thoughts on tomorrow's proceedings, as Lippestad has warned that it will be the hardest day yet? That is exactly what it is going to be, the hardest day. That is why i have to go to court.
The media (at least in the UK and USA) keep on bringing up that Breivik played World of Warcraft and that he trained using computer games. What are your thoughts on this? That WoW has nothing to do with it, I like MMORPG myself.
I know it must be uncomfortable for you to recall but at any point during the ordeal did you actually see Breivik? Well, firstly i saw him twice and heard him once.
Also, do you think there needs to be a revision of Norwegian law to allow for stricter penalties for crimes as awful as those of Anders Behring Breivik? I do not believe that the penalty for his crime should be any other than for a "normal" murderer, if he got a stricter penalty for what he has done, he would have won. It would mean that he did change Norway, and that is the hole point about the trial, everyone knows he did it, there is enough evidence to get him sentenced immediately, but Norway is a democracy where everyone has the right to a fair trial.
There are A LOT of people here in Switzerland commenting on online news articles about Breivik, stating that he should be tortured, killed and whatnot. And when I'm telling them what you told us right now, they always say "Imagine your kids or yourself were in that situation" - I answer, that it's important to remain calm, reasonable and not to overthrow humanistic worldviews. You make me believe in humanity a little more, thank you. I'm really impressed. But was it hard, at some point, not to wish him dead or tortured? I'm glad I give you a bit hope for humanity.
But for me it was not hard at all not to want him dead, because that would be to easy, and torture is against everything I believe in, so no at that to.
I agree with the sentiment, but what if he gets out of jail and kills more people? Hasn't he threatened that? After 21 years a board will review if he's fit to reenter society. Since he has said he will do it again if he gets the chance (and since he's a horrible terrorist obv), the board will sentence him to an additional 5 years. After those years, the board will sentence him to another 5, etc etc.
He wont get out.
I hate to be the guy that says this but is there anyway you can prove you were there? I can prove it with a news article, if that is enough? But it is in Norwegian...
A picture of your ID (just blur out the sensitive information) could be proof. Not that I have any doubt, just a lot of redditors tend to take these post a lot less serious when they are without proof. How do i do that? (i'm an idiot when it comes to internett -.-')
What do you think about multiculturalism? A good thing, the entire globe is globalizing anyway, why try to fight it?
Did you lose people close to yourself, friends or family? I would say I lost two friends, and three more people I knew.
What do you think about Wednesday's trial meeting compared to the previous meetings? Don't know, I was not there, and I do not read the newspapers because they are mostly, excuse my language, bullshit.
In what way do you find the media coverage to be bullshit? Factual errors or the emphasis? Or do you think we're overexposing some aspect? I can't quite explain, but if you've ever read a norwegian newspaper you would know what i was talking about.
I live in Norway, and I read quite a few of them. I agree that the diet and celebrity stuff that usually covers the papers is low, but I'm wondering whether there are spesific things about this case that arr covered in a bad way. How about TV? Have you seen Nrk's coverage? What do you think? I have not seen the case on TV since the judge informs in the beginning for the trial everyday how much is allowed to be filmed. But after experience, the media wants one thing and that is emotions, just to take and example; when he started to cry during the viewing of his film. The media focused so much on it. So I cant say i think its good.
Takk for at du gjør dette forresten. Vi tenker på dere alle sammen, hele tiden. Takk for støtten, og du må vite at det at vi har hele Norges befolkning mer eller mindre som støttespillere betyr mye for meg og andre.
Trees or tobacco? Tobacco, the other stuff is illegal in Norway and my father was a drug addict that got killed by his own addiction, and I don't want to do the same mistake. I drink though
Sorry, I'm going to call you out on the irony. I know, it came out a bit wrong. I smoke cigarettes , Prince Rich Taste, to be exact.
Alcohol is a drug...same with tobacco as well actually. Professional alcoholic here so I know what I'm talking about. I smoke a lot, but I have a healthy relationship to alcohol.
KIDS! Smoke Prince Rich Taste I like the taste, I want a pipe, and every other occasion cigars are suiting
I don't know much about the AUF but I understand it's a youth organisation with political connections. Do you plan a life in politics? And has this event changed your plans for your life in any way? I do not plan a life in politics, i'm trying to become a nurse. And this event has only made me more confident in my choice.
Good for you, a noble profession. I hope you have a rewarding career! At the central level, in the county and local branches held lots of events ranging from themed evenings, courses, school visits and summer camp. On these pages you can read more about some of us engaged in the AUF, find contact information for your county, and much more.
Was there a time that you thought he would find you and/or got near your hiding spot? As i posted, he was 20 m away from me when i was hiding. So yes, but he did'nt.
Did you think you were gonna die? What was your emotional state during all this? I never thought I was going to die. I had a defense mechanism saying it was all just a game. Hide and seek, more or less.
That's interesting - so you felt calm throughout the event? Yes.
How long did it take for that to wear off, and for you to reach a new kind of state, perhaps a more emotional one? When you were leaving the island? Yes, when I was leaving the island, and it did not go away again until a week after.
Fellow AUF'er here, i was not on Utøya though. Do you follow the trial, or are you trying to ignore it and just move on? I know that would be hard considering the huge media coverage.. Hope you are ok! WOW, a fellow AUF'er here, AWESOME!!
I am following the trial, going there again tomorrow, to Inntrødelag tingrett, since i'm from Trøndelag.
I'm trying to only follow it personally form the court instead of watching it through the new since there are so much the media never gets right...
But i'm alive and well.
Are you still in touch with the rest of the survivors? How are they doing now? The Breivik case has just started, and apparently you will all have to tell everything in front of the court again. Will you handle it? We are all coping as good as possible and try to keep in touch. I do not have to witness, since the line is drawn to those hit by projectile.
Is it? A close friend of mine is going to witness, and he did not get shot. He was one of the people who swam away from the island (and saw Anders in the eyes and managed to escape) Yes it is, but there are about 13 people who were not hit by projectile that still was asked to testify.
What actions did you take that saved your life? Well, i naturally ran and hid.
Smart. Well that is what any sane person would do...
How did the (Norwegian?) Muslim community react after the attacks? Was there any tension? I hope you're doing well. Well, i cant say i know, the entire country was in shock and terror.
How often do you come across Norweigans who subscribe to right wing xenophobic ideologies? Rarely
Did you see how he got arrested ? How did you know it was safe to come out from your hiding spot. And did you hear any stories afterwards about anyone thinking of tackling him from behind or something like that ? No i did not see his arrest but my boyfriend did more or less.
Everyone on the island was thinking about tackling him or something like that.
Can you elaborate on the arrest at all? No.
What do you think about the trial right now? Do you wish him to be dead? I am sorry if the second question is a bit personal, but I am really curious and that's what reddit is about! Thank you for your IAMA and your time! Glad you're still with us! I think the trial is going to emotionally rough, which it is, and i do not want him dead. It would be to easy...
Hey there, glad you're ok.. kinda felt from your comments already that you're a reasonable and calm person (or at least you seem to got over what happened), and IKR that's probably how you norwegians are, but still, how do you feel about how the court treats Breivik (as in, greeting him, allowing him to read his few-pages-long statements etc..)? Do you think it's ok he get's this free publicity for his crazy ideas now? The reason why he gets treated so freely is that the court is afraid that if they don't go along on everything, and all his bullshit, he may refuse to testify. But it also lets everyone see how insane he is, and he proves it every day in court,
What do you think should happen to Anders? Send him to jail, and do so until he is no longer a threat to national security.
You think he should get out one day after murdering 70 something people? What do you think would be a reasonable sentence for him? The think about him is that he will most likely always be a threat to safety of the kingdom. Conclusion = he will always be in jail.
I think he should be locked up for the rest of his life, because he can not be rehabilitated to come back to the society because he is not sick.
Fellow AUFer here! Did you get back all your stuff from Utøya yet? I know that several of those I know have not been back much. Are you still active in AUF, and come to meetings (If yes, in Akershus?)? I'm from trøndelag, so no, not in akerhus.
I did get some of my stuff back, but most of it I had to throw away because it was ruined.
Has this horrible day drawn you closer to your family and friends? Seeing Breivik using his trial as a political podium from which to express his views, how do you feel? My condolences, and thank you for doing this AMA. I am closer to friends and family. And I don't know what I feel about Breivik using the trial as a political podium , I just knew he would.
Do you think this guy who is so upset by 'multiculturalism' is mostly alone in his views, or is there a decent segment of the population that would like to keep Norway 'pure'? Not that they would act on it in such an extreme way, rather that they agree with his beliefs. I'm not sure, I think a lot of people share his views about their own country...
How do you feel about the mass media trying to pin this shit on video games? Idiotic, almost everyone plays some sort of video game...
Även Sverige stod still den dagen, jag hoppas och tror att allt ordnar sig för dig och alla andra. Fortsätt vara stark. If you remember, how did it feel to come home and sleep in your own bed? It was good, ad quiet and peaceful and I really knew I was safe.
How did you manage to hide and survive, unlike many others? Hej från sverige! I hid, and kept in movement, never at the same spot twice.
What's it like, testifying in a Norwegian court? Thanks for sharing your story, by the way. You'll do just fine with whatever life throws at you. I don't know how it is testifying in an Norwegian court, because I don't have to. But testifying to the police is mentally demanding for your side.
Once I escaped a building on fire. After talking to my parents and neighbors, the first think I wanted to do was having a strong drink and then going to a spa and get myself the biggest relaxation program they offered. What did you do to calm down right after that? I got drunk and had sex.
Thank you for all of your answers, I have the upmost respect for you. My question is, Breivik has claimed that he will kill again if he is to be freed, what is your opinion on this? Do you believe he is a psychopath? I do believe so, yes.
Do you play world of warcraft? Not really related but every noweigan seems to play it...and a guy in my guild was on the island as well. I've tried it, but it wasn't my kind of game, I like Skyrim better.
Not really related but, how long do you think anders will get in prison? Can't he only get 21 years? He will get 21 years and then the punishment will be extended every four years.
Did you think about fighting back at all? I am not saying you should have, or shouldn't have, but did it go through your mind? It did go through my mined, but just briefly.
Was there no time? Or did it just seem like a bad idea? Seemed like a bad idea.
I really admire you for doing this, coming out and talking about it cannot be easy and I cannot even begin to imagine how you felt on that day. Are you watching his trial, if so what are your thoughts and feelings about it? I am trying to watch some of it, but I mostly just read briefs my lawyer send me.
I have always wondered whether some of the braver people conspired to fight back against him. Did you experience any acts of heroism, or anyone that was talking like they were going to attempt to confront him? This is heroism: Link to www.adressa.no
Why does the article say you were 2m away from him, and you say you were 20m? Because newspapers never get anything right, or my memory is just not as good as it was from that day, the article is from the 23. of July.
What kind of music do you listen to? Link to open.spotify.com
What do you hope to see Happen to Anders after all the legal bussiness is finished? After 21 years a board will review if he's fit to reenter society. Since he has said he will do it again if he gets the chance (and since he's a horrible terrorist obv), the board will sentence him to an additional 5 years. After those years, the board will sentence him to another 5, etc etc. He will serve life in prison.
Could you hide in a quiet spot or everyplace was a chaos with people yelling and crying? The island is so small, that I could hear the screams from the other side of the island, so there was never quiet at all + you could hear all the shots, which is why I knew when I could move from location to location.
Do you belive there were more than one shooter? No I do not believe so.
If somebody gave you a gun and put Breivik in same room as you would you shoot him right away? I would have to consider if I could live with my self after killing a man, most likely would I just make sure he would never be able to walk again, nor shot someone.
I have a couple of questions; first off do you play video games (FPSs more specifically) and if yes, how do you feel about the way the media has portrayed the video games' role in Breivik becoming who he is today? I hope you are doing as well as you can, considering the circumstances :) No, I do not.
To what extent do you meet other survivors of Utøya? Do you think the survivors will always stay in touch? Like has it forged a permanent special bonding? Well some of the survivors are close friends, and those I meet quite often, others I see once in a while or just randomly meet at places. I don't really know, we have a facebook page and keep in touch there.
What are your thoughts on the death penalty, and have they changed at all from before this incident you survived? I will always be against death penalty.
What would your reaction be if he was released after the 21 year sentence? do you think he would ever be considered "rehabilitated" at some point? do you think he would he be a threat to others if he was released? why does norway not have life sentences for mass murder? do you think there are more "breiviks" out in society (norway and elsewhere)? I have no clue.
Do you get to have your own meanings and political views when in the organisation. I mean. You're young, and they could certainly need som new input. Or is it just indoctrination and cowardly consent? We get to have our own opinions and express them, if not I wouldn't have joined.
How much would you like Anders to go through the USA prison system, where he would probably be forcibly sodomized before having a broomstick shoved all the way from his rectum to he esophogus? No not really.
Can't say I would've liked it nor disliked it.
How has security changed in Oslo? I was born in Oslo and went back the summer before this happened. It's always been pretty laid back. Are there more police do you have to go through security measures when you go to the islands? Don't really know, I don't live in Oslo, and it's been awhile since I've been there.
What is your response to the almost 50% membership rise in the AUF since the terror attack? Do you feel encouraged to continue your commitment to the workers movement? I think most of the people who have joined, are doing it out of pity.
So they won't stay within the organisation? I thought that many became members because they been sympatisers for long and now felt that they should get organized. I have no clue.
"Han berättar om hur han fick 14 personer, som gömde sig bakom ett pumphus, att komma fram genom att lura dem att han var polis. Då sköt han dem." Fråga, vittna du detta? Nei, bare hørte det, han sa det jo relativt høyt, så jeg hørdte det jo.. og det var der jeg kom ned til vannet hvor jeg ble hentet med båt så jeg så jo alle.
Do you think it was a successful way to get his message out? No.
Al mulig støtte fra Danmark :) Takk ; )
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